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    things to look for...puppies?

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    been looking to get another dog as i lost my springer recently. have been looking at getting a border collie, had one years ago but was a bit temperamental so we put him up for adoption. thing is i'm not sure what to look for when going to look at them? anyone got any advice or tips?
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    Always try to see it with mum and dad, with borders there are a fair few puppy farms, who advertise, then either arrange for them to bring a pup to you, or you go to see them, and they don't have the mum.

    Border collies are very, very intelligent, and require not only quite a bit of exercise, but they like to be mentally challenged as well, or they may become bored/destructive etc. If you have time to take it to agility classes, that would be brilliant for it.

    Don't get a pup less than 8 weeks old, always expect to have to worm them unless they are from a reputable breeder, I got Aston, the woman said they had been wormed, but I knew as soon as he had his first feed that he was heaving, so took him to the vets, and he was poo-ing live worms for 4 days after a 'proper' wormer was bought from the vets. The pet shop ones just don't do the job.


    Have you maybe thought of a rescue dog instead of a pup? Sometimes there are genuine reasons why the dog has ended up in kennels. Obviously if you have ayoung child you do have to be very careful

    Is there going to be someone at home quite alot of the time to help with the toilet training bit if you do get a pup?


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    hadn't thought about a rescue dog actually. i knows theres a blue cross in kimpton which isn't to far from me. and yeh there'll be at least one of us home 90% of the time. thanks for the info. spent the last couple of hours reading up on them, but it's always good to get a personal opinion rather than just an internet page

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    I have a border collie and yes your right very intelagent but great dogs mine barks sometimes when his left alone apart from that he dont have a lead and does what your ask very very well behaved

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    Quote Originally Posted by b1988m View Post
    hadn't thought about a rescue dog actually. i knows theres a blue cross in kimpton which isn't to far from me. and yeh there'll be at least one of us home 90% of the time. thanks for the info. spent the last couple of hours reading up on them, but it's always good to get a personal opinion rather than just an internet page
    Go and have a looksie at the rescue place, you never know, there might be a dog there that would suit you down to the ground, but keep an open mind, don't just go looking for border collies


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    i HATE going top rescue places..

    i always leave wanting more!

    ive already got a zoo..

    as already said..

    head there wi a open mind, the right dog will simply find you while there m8..
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    Stu, in the last 4 days I seem to have inherited a budgie and a rabbit that were no longer wanted by their owners...Then of course I had to buy another budgie to keep this one company.


    So that now leaves me with:

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    ur off ur head woman!

    if i had the space i would be the same tho

    we have managed to fit 3 cats, a staffy me and ema AND wull all in a 2 bedroom house.... canna move for walking over a kid, cat or clothes tho not to mention toys!
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    As I recently replied to a similar post on another car forum I'm on, I'll pop up that reply for you to peruse too, might find some helpful pointers in it.

    if you decide that you really MUST get a puppy and can't be convinced to get one from a rescue, then please don't buy them from the local freeads paper or similar as the majority of puppies sold through such ads are really from puppy farms and bred in horrendous conditions by people who want nothing more than money. The puppies will probably be riddled with genetic defects which will cause them pain and shorten their life, not to mention draining your wallet with vets bills. I've worked as a veterinary assistant before and it's heartbreaking to see the number of misguided people coming in with desperately ill puppies or dogs they've "bought from a breeder" via an advert in the paper. The puppies have cost them hundreds to buy and then cost them hundreds more in vet bills to save.

    These "breeders" will breed anything without first checking the parents for congenital defects, the mother is forced to have litter after litter with no breaks, until she is worn out. Usually living her life shut in a damp shed with no exercise, toys, interaction or stimulation, let alone any grooming, vaccinations, worming or other basic veterinary care. Once the puppies arrive the owner then puts an advert in the paper. They will pull the wool over your eyes by using a variety of the following tricks:

    - agreeing to meet up with you to hand the puppy over (so you don't see the state of the place the puppy came from)
    - if you want to see the parents they will put a far better dog (not the real mother) in their front room with the puppies and pretend that it's the real parent. The clue will be she won't interact with the puppies as their real mother would and probably won't be able to let them suckle. All the while the real mother will be looking haggard and unhealthy, hidden away somewhere in the back yard out of sight, probably living in her own faeces.
    - they will promise to send you the "papers" after you have taken the puppy away, claiming that they have to fill in some paperwork or similar and you can't have them the same day - the "papers" never arrive, and they'll stop answering the phone.

    Contact the Kennel Club for a list of more reputable breeders (it's no garantee they're perfect, but the odds are better) No responsible breeder would ever advertise through the local free ads paper, you have to find them, and there is almost always a waiting list for puppies. They should ask you lots of questions about your dog owning experience and living circumstances, your house and garden, to make sure that you are choosing the right type of dog, and they will expect you to ask them questions too to show you have a genuine interest in the breed and are a responsible owner.

    You will then have to put your name down for a puppy, and wait for the next planned litter, which could be months away. Responsible breeders will check their breeding stock for congenital defects such as hip dysplasia, and will only produce a small number of litters from each bitch, with a large gap in between to let her rest and recover, and then "retire" her from stud. If you want an older dog, then you may be able to buy a retired stud dog, although you will usually have to have the dog neutered as a condition of sale.

    Proper breeders should be only too happy to answer your questions, and to show you their facilities, all their dogs should be wormed and vaccinated, properly exercised and recieve interaction with the family. They usually also garantee the puppies for congenital defects so that if something is discovered then they will take the puppy back and give you your money back, a buyer/seller contract is a very responsible way of selling a pedigree dog, and ensures both parties are acting responsibly for the welfare of the animal.

    When you get your puppy home you should ensure that you get it vaccinated, wormed and de-fleaed as soon as possible, and get it microchipped (if not already done by the breeder) and the microchip details transferred into your name so that if it gets lost or stolen the dog can be traced back to you and reunited. Also PLEASE PLEASE spay and neuter your pets, leave the breeding to the professionals and avoid litters of unwanted puppies!

    Make sure that you socialise your puppy by taking it to puppy training classes, and make sure that the whole family joins in with training the puppy. Consistency is the key - the rules must be set and stuck to by EVERYONE. If one person forbids the dog from climbing on the sofa, but other family members encourage it up, then the dog will become confused and distressed, so when you make a rule stick to it, dogs are happiest with clear, consistent rules which allow them to relax as they know their boundaries.

    Make sure by training in the house & garden using "High-value" treats (like slices of hotdog) that your dog learns to recall as early as possible as it is a vital skill to get the dog to return to you for his own safety. NEVER reward bad behaviour such as barking, pulling, agression, jumping up etc - just ignore it, and praise good behaviour. If you cuddle or pet a barking dog, or even if you shout at it, then all you are doing is encouraging the behaviour - ignore anything you don't want the dog to do, and the MOMENT that it stops doing the unwanted behaviour, lavish praise on the dog.

    Don't forget when selecting a new dog to consider your household routine and type as well as the working history of the breed you are considering. There are high engergy and low energy dogs and you MUST choose one which honestly suits your lifestyle. If you select a high energy dog while pretending that because you walk to the pub twice a week you're "active" then you've got a recipie for trouble. Collies (sheepdogs) are one of the highest energy dogs you can get (along with huskies) and require HUGE amounts of both physical and mental stimulation every day otherwise they can easily become bored, destructive, domineering and even agressive or mentally unstable. Other high energy breeds include dalmatians and foxhounds.

    Unless you genuinely go for a mile run or jog twice a day whatever the weather and have all day hikes at the weekends, along with having the time for training and mental challenges to play with your dog then DO NOT get a collie or husky!

    If you want a more laid back dog then lapdogs or retired greyhounds may be more suitable for you, however there are no hard and fast rules as to how any given individual dog will behave, regardless of the breed, there are exceptions to every rule.

    Many people assume that labradors are perfect lazy family dogs but this is not *always* the case, some can be higher energy and can become bored and unstable if not given enough stimulation by the family, symptoms can include traits which many humans unfortunately find "amusing" but which are in fact a sign of mental distress such as obsessive behaviour over toys, balls, chasing dots of light, barking, chewing doors, licking walls, chasing tails and many others. Any behaviour done to excess can become an obsession and a "release valve" for pent up frustration. If the dog cannot find a way to vent his frustration he can even turn on his owners and become dangerous.

    Don't get any dog unless your WHOLE household can commit to providing it proper care and daily interation, proper CONSISTENT training, all vaccinations, worming and neutering, an insurance policy to cover unexpected vets fees, boarding kennels or dog sitters for holidays, and a contingency plan for what happens to the dog if you and your partner break up or pass away, for example leaving him to a relative or an animal charity like the Dogs Trust in the event of your death.

    Dogs can live up to 16 years and so it is a long term commitment and not one to be undertaken lightly, plan for the dog's whole life.

    Finally, NEVER feed your dog chocolate, grapes or raisins are these are all deadly to dogs. Chocolate can cause unseen internal damage even if it's effects are not immediately visible, use ONLY "dog chocolate" if you must.

    Kirsty

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    thats some good information there kirsty i know now what to do when i look lol!
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