View Full Version : GSI just been treated to VTUNE remap!
chrismk4gsi
21-06-2007, 23:30
Lee from vtune has just been up and mapped my GSi, very happy with it! 1st and 2nd very nice and smooth power then it really flies going into 3rd, 4th 5th! SO SO Smooth aswell!
I can highly reccommend this guy, he really knows his stuff! He has done 52 z20lets so far i think.
He did everything infront of me and explained every step!
I think people on this forum need to acknowledge that there are other people who can tune z20let's other than "the big 2"! So please dont bombard me with the usual speel (u know what i mean:cheesy: !)
Dont know what power its putting out but its the driveability that matters more than a figure on paper! (IMO)
So how much was it?? Came to me (250 miles away), did it all in front of me and gave me a written warranty for 12mths/30k miles?
£210 BARGAIN
sounds good where are they based then and warranty on what exactly
atleast your happy then and i guess you would recomend them to otherts
sounds good mate!was the mileage he did to get to u included in that price?have u got the contact details for them?
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 00:01
yeah the mobile service is free! They are based in birmingham!
warrenty is on engine, turbo and the ecu itself, they check the engine over before doin the map.
got a 24hr customer careline aswell in case u have any probs!
the site is www.vtune.me.uk (http://www.vtune.me.uk)
Sounds tempting. Any idea if they can cater for custom stuff, like FMIC's, full exhaust systems etc or is the map designed to work on a standard car?
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 00:11
Give him a ring and ask him - he knows his stuff! I think he can adjust all parameters on the laptop.
markastra2007
22-06-2007, 00:35
Yep lee is a top guy buckle he used to work for HKS abroad and other big companys and actually writes maps himself unlike other companys who use generic maps and just download them onto your car he will adjust every little thing individually as its live mapping!!
I asked him to make the injectors open on overrun so when i lift of between gear changes it pops!! Trust me again mate id put my car in his hands over regal or courtenay as proof HKS is slightly more technical and more highly skilled then the BIG 2 as chris would say lol
markastra2007
22-06-2007, 00:37
oh and less then half the price im going to get iridium plugs and courtenay panel filter and larger intake and then give it a oil change and put it on rollers at interpro in august im not hoping for high gains as its rapid enough but driveability is more what im worried about.
mattcoupturbo
22-06-2007, 06:38
Yep lee is a top guy buckle he used to work for HKS abroad and other big companys and actually writes maps himself unlike other companys who use generic maps and just download them onto your car he will adjust every little thing individually as its live mapping!!
I asked him to make the injectors open on overrun so when i lift of between gear changes it pops!! Trust me again mate id put my car in his hands over regal or courtenay as proof HKS is slightly more technical and more highly skilled then the BIG 2 as chris would say lol
:hysterical: :hysterical: Comparing someone like courtenay to HKS is like comparing them to nissan. They are a small company that specialise in vaux's with a small amount of development, but nothing reveloutionary, with maybe a turnover of a few £100,000. HKS are a massive compnay that cater for the whole japanese car market and spend huge amounts developing new ideas etc. If he is so good why isn't he still working for them, surely would make more money there?
So he live mapped it on his own then did he, so not only was he driving the car, he was adjusting the map charts on his laptop too then was he?
I said it in your other thread but sounds like you've been suckered into his speal, he has done nothing more than "the big 2" would do in that he has put a base map on and maybe slightly adjusted it. But given that he doesn't have the equipment there (from what i have read from you) you could be driving a car thats running leaner than kate moss or richer than bill gates.
I said it in your other thread but sounds like you've been suckered into his speal, but given that he doesn't have the equipment there (from what i have read from you) you could be driving a car thats running leaner than kate moss or richer than bill gates.
Well said.......£210, travels 250 miles and writes unique maps for each customer's car........the guy certainly knows how to talk himself up.
markastra2007
22-06-2007, 09:07
Ok you can talk crap on forums give him a call and you will soon shut up when he tells you more about it in a technical way that none of you understand!
Dannywrc
22-06-2007, 09:12
If he does 1 a day for 5 days hes still making over 500 a week and im sure he does a lot more than that. Sounds like he does ok to me. id be happy making that much.
HKS must have paid him a lot more tho if he was writing the programmes himself. why did he leave?
welsh-andy
22-06-2007, 09:33
aeotd if he happy with results then thats good.
may not be a custom map,but for £210 and the guys is happy, well u cant argue with that.:)
PM sent to Chrismk4gsi.
Personally wouldn't touch him with a barge pole, Know of his work and previous customers.
But each to your own i guess, hope it don't go wrong.
If anybody wants to know why, please PM me and I'll tell you why.
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 09:57
Apparentley he owns two thirds of vtune. He has only fairly recentley started offering mapping to the public as he said most of his work is to the trade and motorsport.
give your car everything its got to 120mph. my 2 mates had them done there as soon as they hit 120mph engine management light came on limp mode until you puled over and switched off and back on but nearly everytime you gave everything to 120 mph it would do it you hope your car is fine though just something to let you know
montyfox
22-06-2007, 11:08
Get it rolling roaded to check boost,fuelling etc....
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 11:28
My boost gauge is coming this weekend so will let you know what boost levels are when i fit it.
TBH i would never be drivin at 120mph anyway so prob wont find that out, when he came out with me for the drive after the map, i hit 110 with ease on a country road and no problems there. He has written into the map that full boost levels wont be allowed untill the engine has reached a certain temperature aswell.
He said the maps where his own, doesnt matter if they're not anyway, i mean dont regal use german EDS maps which arent there own?
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 11:46
Been in touch with a local company with a rolling road, they dont do print out, but just "power runs". They charge £25 for this. Shall i do this or find a rolling road which can provide a print out???
Shall i do this or find a rolling road which can provide a print out???
Yes, you seem to believe exactly whats told to you ie see below so get proof this time!
He has written into the map that full boost levels wont be allowed untill the engine has reached a certain temperature aswell.
Mapping Bosch Me systems CAN NOT be done live... end of.. :confused:
I dont know what the issue against Vtune is.. but if we have mapped some one's car and they are not happy please contact tech@vtune.me.uk and we will sort the problem.. ?! ?? :confused:
AS far as the "GET ur car on the rolling road or it you will die.." come's from people that dont quite understand how factory management systems work.. Bosch Me systems use intake specf load, and injection correction pretty much full time to correct fueling.. we map for 3% resulting in 11.9 AFR.. well safe for turbo 95 ron car.. boost control is lifted by 17% over stock resulting 14% inlet pressure with air temp correction lowered. ALL factory protection is in place.. ING timing is rasied on this car.. however we leave the factory torque limiter in place to allow the t/c function to work correctly. But is totally deleted when t/c is disabled. TO MAP A ECU PROPLEY U MUST EDIT THE SOFTWARE FROM THE VEHICLE.. Custom??? what? another forum mith..:hysterical:
IF A ENGINE DEVELOP'S A PROBLEM SUCH AS A LEAN BURN OR BOOST SPIKE OR DET OUR MAPPING WILL PROTECT THE ENGINE BY LIMP MODE!!!
AND yes we have a Insured warranty.. we cost less because we do a lots of vehicles about 6-8 a day, astons to corsa's , and price according to the value of the car..and the time taken to do the job.. fair deal me thinks
Many thanks V. :)
enjoy your car's...
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 12:19
hi lee, car is sound!
Doing a rolling road soon to see what my power is now (for my own interest) I will let you know what it comes out with!
I support lee's philosophy of not charging £500 for 20mins work! Very nice guy, very good job!
welsh-andy
22-06-2007, 12:20
Mapping Bosch Me systems CAN NOT be done live... end of.. :confused:
I dont know what the issue against Vtune is.. but if we have mapped some one's car and they are not happy please contact tech@vtune.me.uk and we will sort the problem.. ?! ?? :confused:
AS far as the "GET ur car on the rolling road or it you will die.." come's from people that dont quite understand how factory management systems work.. Bosch Me systems use intake specf load, and injection correction pretty much full time to correct fueling.. we map for 3% resulting in 11.9 AFR.. well safe for turbo 95 ron car.. boost control is lifted by 17% over stock resulting 14% inlet pressure with air temp correction lowered. ALL factory protection is in place.. ING timing is rasied on this car.. however we leave the factory torque limiter in place to allow the t/c function to work correctly. But is totally deleted when t/c is disabled. TO MAP A ECU PROPLEY U MUST EDIT THE SOFTWARE FROM THE VEHICLE.. Custom??? what? another forum mith..:hysterical:
IF A ENGINE DEVELOP'S A PROBLEM SUCH AS A LEAN BURN OR BOOST SPIKE OR DET OUR MAPPING WILL PROTECT THE ENGINE BY LIMP MODE!!!
AND yes we have a Insured warranty.. we cost less because we do a lots of vehicles about 6-8 a day, astons to corsa's , and price according to the value of the car..and the time taken to do the job.. fair deal me thinks
Many thanks V. :)
enjoy your car's...
the guy obviously cares for his business and is willing to come on to this forum to defend himself. so credit where credit is due i reckon.
Ok you can talk crap on forums give him a call and you will soon shut up when he tells you more about it in a technical way that none of you understand!
FPMSL!!! That is NOT, and I'll say it again that is NOT a good thing. The average driver on here is not completely clued up on all the technical geek speak, so by baffling people that doesn't mean he knows his stuff at all. By breaking it all down into simple terms that anyone can understand - that's when you've found someone who knows their stuff, not someone who memorised a text book.
wayneGSI
22-06-2007, 12:31
seems asif every thing is "them and us" at the mo,
some people will have good experiences and some will have bad, thats life
i am so sittin on the fence with this 1 the Vtune guy is tryin 2 make a livin as we all are,
but i can see why people might not like the idea of a guy comin to you at your home to remap your pride and joy!
at the end of the day if the guy is happy with it then thats fine
just thought id put my pence worth in lol
welsh-andy
22-06-2007, 12:41
a lot of ppl also have to remember that ppl cant afford 2 go to regal or courtenay etc for a remap and these guys are only outlets to them with their budgets.
every one has gd bad experiences of most tuners.
the guys happy with his remap, so all is gd in this instance:)
FPMSL!!! That is NOT, and I'll say it again that is NOT a good thing. The average driver on here is not completely clued up on all the technical geek speak, so by baffling people that doesn't mean he knows his stuff at all. By breaking it all down into simple terms that anyone can understand - that's when you've found someone who knows their stuff, not someone who memorised a text book.
I sorry .. later tonight after i've done some more work.. i'll post a full 101 of mapping a Astra G GSI Z20let and VXR with picture's.. (not joking) it's not rocket science on these car's.. dont belive the price tag's of companies with massive overhead's, by the way our VAN cost 40K.. so dont diss the V Van. hehe. 120mph renault traffic..
P.S, did i shag ur missis or something??? whAT'S THE ISSUE?? JUST TRYING TO HELP MATE??:confused:
V.
LordNikon
22-06-2007, 12:43
blah blah blah, anyways, keep it on topic, or first off it will get closed.
Secondly if you're getting the car RR'd then get a Lambda reading and boost reading too - along with graphs, would be nice to see.
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 12:46
Comin to your house to map your car IS NOT A BAD THING, you could visit vtune themselves and get it done there if that bothered you?
Am i not correct in thinking that regal do in some instances just put the EDS map straight on and that rolling road readouts cost extra?? If so than whats the difference to that than a mobile tuner.
Lee, I think it would be a good idea to give people an idea of how remapping an astra turbo works etc, it would definately give a good understanding to those not in the know :)
wayneGSI
22-06-2007, 12:58
[quote=chrismk4gsi;1061855]Comin to your house to map your car IS NOT A BAD THING, you could visit vtune themselves and get it done there if that bothered you?
i wasnt sayin it was a bad thing vtune comin to your house! just said some people might see it as there is no place you can take it back if there is a problem. i think it is good as i live about 3 hours away from regal and courtenay!
welsh-andy
22-06-2007, 12:59
Lee, I think it would be a good idea to give people an idea of how remapping an astra turbo works etc, it would definately give a good understanding to those not in the know :)
agreed:)...
montyfox
22-06-2007, 14:27
A rollingroad session with printouts posted on here would help let people see if there are problematic issues regarding this particular map :rolleyes: and at the end of the day V-tune may well have done a few bum maps in their time, but then, I daresay 'the big companies' have done this too.
An interesting thread over on MIG regarding the work/services of a certain tuner.
Credit to V-tune for coming on here and having their say, and actually admitting that what they do is not rocket science! Its not as if the major Zlet remappers write their own programs, all they do is flash on what they have been given near as dammit.
It always seems to be the case that if a less known mapper makes a mess, the world and his wife shouts the odds but if a car has problems after being mapped by 'a big company' you don't seem to hear much about it, discrimination?
There was another thread regarding a map by V-tune that went bad not long ago, not good but the matter seemed to be resolved in good order by this company. I know of a couple of people who have had problems due to a map and they had to fight tooth and claw to get the tuner to rectify.
GET SOME POWER GRAPHS UP ASAP.
montyfox
22-06-2007, 14:30
Oh, and if you do get graphs up and it seems that boost is allover the place and the engines running lean as hell at the top end, then I shall quite happily rant, slagoff and rave as well as the others, but until I see the graphs I will reserve my judgement rather than shooting my mouth off about matters that I don't know the details of.
And as for V-tune talking themselves up or talking bollox, going by the coversations I've had with a couple of other tuners' I would say they are all the same in this respect.
chrismk4gsi
22-06-2007, 15:03
As its dried up now, ive had chance to turn the traction control off........
Oh yeah baby, its an animal! DEFINATLEY alot quicker to 60 now! And from 60 onwards up through 3rd its an overtaking weapon! Very impressed :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: .
Just filled up with shell v-power today aswell to give it that extra kick, lol
Hi guy's will do my 101 tonight and set your mind's a rest.. (I still can't understand the Boost and fuel comment..) I thought we had explained.. :confused2: IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT...! AS LONG AS THE INJECTOR FLOW RATE AND BOOST CONTROL IS FACTORY SPEC AT STAGE ONE 240PS REMAP THE ECU SETS AND THE MONITORS THE AFR AND BOOST..(O2 narrow band exhaust?? that what its for, well partly) AS PER PRODUCTION .. JUST SET TO ANOTHER LEVEL...? !!!:wink: 50 year old Phyics guy's..
As for "THE BAD REMAP"... IT .... WAS.... NOT... the F@~@in REMAP!!! the chap's boost control had failed and had air leak's all over the inlet... fuel reg was not plumbed correctly and lower boost hose was badly weathered.. WE AT NO EXTRA CHARGE.. (and we liked the lad) replaced and repaired his small issues, as A POLICY we reset his ecu and road tested.. JOB DONE he happy and we happy..
We like GM products and I have owned some 14 GM vehicles from a 05 HSV R8 to 1989 GTE Nova.. So please give a brake..
We wait for the roller's to do the talking now...:cheesy:
Lee.
Am i not correct in thinking that regal do in some instances just put the EDS map straight on and that rolling road readouts cost extra?? If so than whats the difference to that than a mobile tuner.
this is a good point. what about the ppl that live too far away from the "2 big tuners" and send their ECU for a map? this map would not be "fine tuned or adjusted to suit". from my very little knowledge and understanding of maps(i dont have a clue!) the only ECU that can be live mapped is a stand alone or piggyback. correct me if that's a load of s*%t cause as i said i don't really know
but i can see why people might not like the idea of a guy comin to you at your home to remap your pride and joy!
at the end of the day if the guy is happy with it then thats fine
This is not a pop at you Waye so don't think I am beinging funny
What have people got against someone comming to their house to upload a map on to their cars? At the end of the day people go to Regal and all they d is load a map on to you car and then send you on your way?
Clearly it sounds like this guy knows what he is doing and Mark is happy, I just can't see how people can slate, redicule and speculate about somethig they themselves have no knowledge about. My friend had this Lambourgini Gallardo mapped at his home does it mean its a crap map? Half the tuners in this country would never have looked under the bonnet of a Gallardo let alone tune one!!!!
My view is Regal and Courtney do not write their own maps and just upload them end of, Courtney may 'tweak' it so I hear but that doesnt really amount to much. Also I see more and more problems posted by people who have had maps recently regardless of tuner so time will tell how Mark's car will go and I really do hope he proves some of you wrong becasue you clearly have the wrong attitude and need to remove heads from behinds.
What makes me laugh is one of these "big two" comanies doesnt even provide a rolling road printout now in my opinion thats absurd, not to mention they often get bad press on here yet people are quick to defend them so they can stay in 'cool circles' I know three cars that had been mapped, they came to a reputable tuner for a rolling road day and not one of them had the claimed figures and on top of that to boot the torque curve and boost levels dropped like a lead baloon after 5k quite like a diesel, this tuner didnt have goot thing to say about it. If you are willing to pay over £400 for ths kind level of tune more fool you.
Hope is goes well Mark and hats off to you for gong down a different route.
I sorry .. later tonight after i've done some more work.. i'll post a full 101 of mapping a Astra G GSI Z20let and VXR with picture's.. (not joking) it's not rocket science on these car's.. dont belive the price tag's of companies with massive overhead's, by the way our VAN cost 40K.. so dont diss the V Van. hehe. 120mph renault traffic..
P.S, did i shag ur missis or something??? whAT'S THE ISSUE?? JUST TRYING TO HELP MATE??:confused:
V.
:hysterical: :hysterical:
I don't really know where to start, but it's late and I can't be bothered. What I will say is a) why don't you ask my missus yourself, b) you have completely missed the entire point of my original post and the point I was raising. Not only did you miss it, but you made yourself look like a tit at the same time. My suggestion is re-read what I put. The trick is to put things into simple terms based on what you know, not post up your 101 page text book. c) your keyboard.....far left, 3rd one up.
markastra2007
23-06-2007, 03:40
Fad-If your meaning me thanks mate im sure my car will be fine as anyone who has met lee or had there car done by him will know its 100% genuine and he aint some cheap fob off.
Lee (Vtune)-Sorry for me going down the path originally thinking your remap done my car in as it was my car's boost solenoid etc. I personally think your work is THE BEST and unlike bigger companies you really go out your way to help.
EG LEE WORKED ALL THROUGH THE NIGHT JUST TO SORT MY CAR OUT for less then £200 i would have scrubbed the map off gave a refund and gone to bed and done a diff car next day but no lee really helped.
Oh and thanks lee for saying "We liked the guy" i did guess that as you did kind of go out your way alot to help more like a mate kind of thing then a company.
ANY ***** WHO WANTS TO SLATE HIM GO GET HIS MAP DONE ON YOUR CAR THEN COME BACK HERE AND SAY SORRY as your all jelous the fact we got a map on our cars as good as if not better then the BIG 2 for less then half the price.
Cheers mark
markastra2007
23-06-2007, 03:43
Lee (vtune) I think your a sound couple of guys (you and baz) you have my number give me a buzz when your down here next we will go out for a drink. I owe you one.
I am going to lock this now as there are too many axes being well and truly grinded!!
Once the Rolling road has been done I am sure another thread will be started.
Couple of points that I have noticed:
1. We as a community have seen numerous new style 'mappers' come and go over the years (this community has been here for a good 8 years) and generally speaking 90% of these new style remapers (by this they come to your home) have either damaged, caused problems, given no real customer care when its counted or have simply ripped members off. Now as a community I am sure you will respect that members will warn/guide people on there experiences but at the same time can be too hasty and not all companies are the same.
2. The 'Big 2 tuners' - well for a start there are not just 2 tuners, there are others for example Thorney motor sport, Dap Motor sport and Wallace Performance as well as others that have significant experience with Vauxhall as a whole and not just z20let astras. The key points here is that 1. They have premises that YOU can go to if a problem arises and 2. The maps they provide are on hundreds/thousands of cars here in the UK and over in Europe where they originally come from.
3. If you are happy with your remap REGARDLESS of price or by who then thats fantastic, however do not feel the need to ram it down peoples throats when all they are trying to do is guide you into making sure your car is ok now and in the FUTURE. I doubt that they are jealous, and I doubt you will get them to change there minds as to weather they will use the 'new style mappers'. However do take what they say with some respect, some members on here have had many remaped cars and do know a lot of the behind the scenes knowledge, and with that what is bullshit and what isnt ;) In the same respect other members should make there point and leave it that, saying I told you so is not at all constructive or helpfully. All that does is create an atmosphere where the member is unable to come to the community if a problem does arise or tells us how the map is going 6 months on.
I think its also worth pointing out that changing your car specification's be it engine, suspension, bodywork will always cause some sort of issue latter on as you put the miles on the clock and use it day today. This is down to wear and tear but also because the development and testing quite simply is no where near that of what a manufacturer has to go through when they release a new car.
So this is now locked - time will tell on how this particular company will fair and I personally wish them lots of luck :)
chrismk4gsi
23-06-2007, 11:06
Lee from vtune has just been up and mapped my GSi, very happy with it! 1st and 2nd very nice and smooth power then it really flies going into 3rd, 4th 5th! SO SO Smooth aswell!
I can highly reccommend this guy, he really knows his stuff! He has done 52 z20lets so far i think.
He did everything infront of me and explained every step!
I think people on this forum need to acknowledge that there are other people who can tune z20let's other than "the big 2"! So please dont bombard me with the usual speel (u know what i mean:cheesy: !)
Dont know what power its putting out but its the driveability that matters more than a figure on paper! (IMO)
So how much was it?? Came to me (250 miles away), did it all in front of me and gave me a written warranty for 12mths/30k miles?
£210 BARGAIN
Can i just say that before this thread is locked, if you read my initial post i clearly said that i didnt want this to turn into a slanging match. (QUOTE: "...there are other people who can tune z20let's other than "the big 2"! So please dont bombard me with the usual speel") By speel i meant people telling me i had made the wrong desicion by not using "the big 2".
As im sure u will agree this forum is useful to a lot of people and i simply wanted to let you guys know how happy i was with this particular map. And the service of the company vtune. And reccommend the company BASED ON my experience with them.
Whilst i do respect the knowledge and opinions of the more knowledegable owners of z20lets, i made an informed decision to choose vtune over "the big 2" for my own personal reasons.
good comments Chris I was hoping you would have the chance to reply as you started the thread. Let us know how the Rolling road goes - good or bad!
Now locked :)