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turbodara
15-05-2007, 18:19
went to chipped uk today and was there for 3.5 hours and my car was no better if not worse they tried to say that it was the iridium plugs then it was the vxr injectors i had in and that they could only gain 25hp on my car which is a act with vxr turbo and injectors,frount mount intercooler , 2.2 air box and full turbo back exhaust after they brought it out i took it out and was shocked with the outcome so went back and the apprentice flashed another map into the car which i didnt really like at all and it was even worse it was rough through the rev range and was worse then standard, then they left me in the rain outside for 30-40 mins and never came back out to sort the car out so i left.
so all in all i have wasted time and petrol to drive to birmingham to come back with my car worse then what it was like when i got there
LordNikon
15-05-2007, 18:44
Although i feel sorry for you - i'm not surprised
This highlights how you cant just stick this with that and slap and tune a car together with bits. The top tuners offer complete packages for a reason - consistent results !
Garage tuning, and resourcefulness is fine, but dont expect great results all of the time.
turbodara
15-05-2007, 18:49
i no tell me about it off to courtenay or regal in a few weeks to get it done properly and with vxr air flow metre
think the lesson to be learned for all of us is to go to a specialist like regal or courtenay - may i ask did u drive the car on a standard map with the vxr injectors/afm - really they should have been fitted and then the car mapped.
turbodara
15-05-2007, 19:12
just had the injectors in and drove it down there off boost
would still cause over fuelling tho no matter how long the trip - ive no idea if it would do anything to the car to cause long term problems or even problems after an attempted map - but im sure a much more in the know person will assist on this.
a similar map from regal or courtenay (cs4/ phase4) with what you have had done should see 270/310 minimum - maybe even 290/340 ish if your very lucky
dannysport18
15-05-2007, 19:42
put the Z20let injectors back in the car
the z20leh ones will work but only any good on Phase 4
as they would be over fuelling your car unless chipped uk had changed the map to retard, the fuelling
I dont know why people keep sticking them into std cars :lol:
what fuel rail did you use Z20let or Z20leh ???
oh no! i was going to get mine done by them. my mates brother had his octavia rs done by them and its great, and his m8 had his new focus st done and thats also fine. strange
turbodara
15-05-2007, 20:38
I dont know why people keep sticking them into std cars :lol:
what fuel rail did you use Z20let or Z20leh ???
well i would of thought anyone who can remap well can map the injectors to suit the car :smile:
and also i used the z20leh rail
and also i used the z20leh rail
no idea why but i think you should use the ZLET rail with the LEH injectors,
does sound bad tho, much as id prefer to go somewhere cheaper this is why ill no doubt be going to regal to know they a) have a pretty decent reputation and b) they are near for me to go back to if it goes wrong,
wywywywy
15-05-2007, 20:42
Wow luckily the groupbuy didn't realise!!
But I thought this ChippedUK main office (instead of their franchise dealer) was supposed to be pretty good?
So did you pay for it Turbodara?
turbodara
15-05-2007, 20:44
Wow luckily the groupbuy didn't realise!!
But I thought this ChippedUK main office (instead of their franchise dealer) was supposed to be pretty good?
So did you pay for it Turbodara?
no didnt pay
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 20:58
I spent 4 hours writing files for this car on the dyno and you were advised that the mods you have done really dont go well together.
The injectors even at 25% less, yes twenty five percent less fueling still ran at 2.4x regular fuel.
This is a case of where people listen to things on forums and as such make massive mistakes.
Then you drive off without paying or informing us.
Thats against the law but as i felt sorry for you for wasting so much on your car and knowing you wont get the results you required i decided to not call the police.
I didnt come on here and post about how you drove off without paying but i cant sit here why you rip into my company after the way you acted.
We tried to advise you without wanting to upset you.
Please understand, its very difficult for us to tell a customer they have just wrecked the driving style of there car after they have spent countless amounts of money on what they believed were decent upgrades.
even if he has a map of some description to run the vxr injectors i would think sticking the old injectors back on may cause problems - as the car is mapped to the new ones - personnaly id, take the car back, get the standard injectors and afm on and get the car mapped to its original map - then take your bits to a specialised tuner if he cant sort you out.
was about to say im sure he will read this - and he has
i think this is another case of bad communication on both parties and some obvious dissapointment and upset on the customers behalf.
ChippedUK dont have the knowledge to map these cars from personal experience. The mods you have chosen are fine;
A) they have been done on countless other cars on here and work well.
B) The VXR Turbo and Injectors are basicaly from the same engine as the z20let so arent going to cause issues when appropriate software is installed.
get your car put back to standard mapping and take it to a known tried and tested tuner.
good luck
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 21:32
I find it shamefull after your many lies which were proven on here that you would actually have the nerve to post here.
We map all of the Ferrari direct and have facilities unrivalled in the UK.
I do however agree that when making these conversions that a total specialist in the field is used to programme the ECU so i would advise going to the likes of courtney or regal.
I am a programmer of anything from the average road car to some specialist sports cars but i have never professed to being perfect at everything, im far from that.
wywywywy
15-05-2007, 21:35
Sounds fair I think, VXR Injectors are specialised.
jayz20let
15-05-2007, 21:41
does any tuner promise to meet the power gains they say they will get u,courtney and the like say stage 1 is 245bhp,ive never seen a stage 1 get that power ever,and regal seem to be even further off wat they claim,when chipped uk advertise there maps on ebay they say that the power is put from 200bhp to 245bhp with a standard map,can u promise that result?? where did u get that figure from?my car ran 200.8 bhp on the rolling road at the weekend,completely standard,if i brought it to you,would you get the 245bhp that u say you will?
i think this thread may have got a bit out of hand tbh,
turbodara maybe you should talk to jayson off of here and discuss what you need to do, this isnt the place to argue about what has happened, yes he may not have mapped the car how you like but as he has said himself it is specialised, so sort it between yoursleves and post on here the outcome to allow other users to make their own decisions on what they want to do with their cars,
maybe jayson you could post what exactly you can confidentially offer in the way of live maps, (e.g if the injectors/combination of mods made it difficut) what kind of mods you would suggest and what kind of power figures you could make from these,
this would give future customers a rough idea of what you can offer before speaking to you or speaking to other tuners....
just my 2p's worth
I find it shamefull after your many lies which were proven on here that you would actually have the nerve to post here.
I do however agree that when making these conversions that a total specialist in the field is used to programme the ECU so i would advise going to the likes of courtney or regal (http://www.astraownersclub.com/vb/autolink.php?id=4&script=showthread&forumid=135).
in turbos defence he is ready with what he has for a phase 3.5 / cs4 power from his car - i have exactly the same as he has i expect - i saw 260/300 on the map without the injector/afm combination - when i had them fitted i saw 280/320........ i think this is why he is a bit annoyed to be fair - you have made some blame to his cars setup - if he has vxr turbo, larger intercooler, air intake, air box mod, injectors, afm, full exhaust/cat he is should see 260-280 bhp easy - you have just said regal/coutenay would be a better option for him - is that due to what happened or because you cant map the z20let to the above figures which the specialised tuners seem to make easily - looks like by advising a specialist tuner your shooting yourself in the foot in terms of what your able to offer - (im not having a go at chipped uk here - what did the car actually achieve as this hasnt been said)
but i think the 2 people need to sit down and see if they can work things out if possible
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 21:50
Good idea.
Firstly though, we dont use ebay to sell remaps.
We can do live data mapping on many cars and specialise in BMW, VW, Seat, Audi, Skoda, Ferrari and Porsche.
I would genuinly say to people they would be better off with the likes of courtney or regal if they do these injector mods simply because they do this type of work on a daily basis wheras for us it is maybe once a year.
I would however like to point out that we didnt stop working on this car, i was actually writing more software up until the point i realised the chap had driven off.
I find it shamefull after your many lies which were proven on here that you would actually have the nerve to post here.
You can lie with the best of them...:hysterical:
Stick to your non-bespoke cars
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 21:55
in turbos defence he is ready with what he has for a phase 3.5 / cs4 power from his car - i have exactly the same as he has i expect - i saw 260/300 on the map without the injector/afm combination - when i had them fitted i saw 280/320........ i think this is why he is a bit annoyed to be fair - you have made some blame to his cars setup - if he has vxr turbo, larger intercooler, air intake, air box mod, injectors, afm, full exhaust/cat he is should see 260-280 bhp easy - you have just said regal/coutenay would be a better option for him - is that due to what happened or because you cant map the z20let to the above figures which the specialised tuners seem to make easily - looks like by advising a specialist tuner your shooting yourself in the foot in terms of what your able to offer - (im not having a go at chipped uk here - what did the car actually achieve as this hasnt been said)
but i think the 2 people need to sit down and see if they can work things out if possible
We didnt run the car for a max power run as we had not finished the work before the driver drove off.
Im not saying i could not get the power other tuners get.
What i am saying is that they are extreme professionals in this very field.
You have to understand, they do this work on this engine daily so there knowledge is far superior to mine.
It would be rude of me to either think or say differently.
I am sure if you went to regal or courtney and asked them for a 250hp conversion on a 130hp mk4 golf they would say the same.
Andy_888
15-05-2007, 21:55
I agree with what rich said, sit down and sort things out between yourselves, arguing / passing comments on an internet forum is no way to solve problems.
That is if chippeduk want to take you back to try and fix problems / return to standard map after you driving off without paying or informing them, ok there may be more to this than meets the eye, but chipped uk has a business to protect, and obviously your not very happy, but atleast from what I can see chippeduk has been relatively upfront and honest on here, but then see my original point about internet forum and getting no-where.
Get on the blower to eachother in the morning, kiss n make up or what not.
jayz20let
15-05-2007, 21:56
Good idea.
Firstly though, we dont use ebay to sell remaps.
We can do live data mapping on many cars and specialise in BMW, VW, Seat, Audi, Skoda, Ferrari and Porsche.
I would genuinly say to people they would be better off with the likes of courtney or regal if they do these injector mods simply because they do this type of work on a daily basis wheras for us it is maybe once a year.
I would however like to point out that we didnt stop working on this car, i was actually writing more software up until the point i realised the chap had driven off.
so premier tuning dont have nothing to do with you then? thats who claim to be part of chipped uk selling there maps on ebay
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 21:57
We write maps for over 100 companies in the UK but this is again for the average road car and that is seriously a million miles away from the types of conversions we are refering to here.
jayz20let
15-05-2007, 22:00
We write maps for over 100 companies in the UK but this is again for the average road car and that is seriously a million miles away from the types of conversions we are refering to here.
so what power can u personally get out of a bog standard z20let,i presume u prefer to work on a standard car ?
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 22:04
Well, its easier for starters.
I would get approx 35hp GENUINE and 50-60Nm GENUINE.
Its easy to give numbers out but it doesnt work like that.
so the question has to be asked - despite him driving off, not paying, being uhappy and generally left unhappy could you two resolve this or has it gone too far between the 2 of you?. (only you two know what happened and how things went during the day) - did turbodara know you hadnt finish trying before he did a vanishing act?
dannysport18
15-05-2007, 22:08
Jason i would want to get paid if i was you
turbodara go back to jason and sort this out the mods you have fitted on the car dont work unless you use the parts needed
why dont i stick a saab R620 turbo pn the zafira its from GM errrrrrrrrrrr it wont work
same with some of the Z20leh parts
jayz20let
15-05-2007, 22:09
Well, its easier for starters.
I would get approx 35hp GENUINE and 50-60Nm GENUINE.
Its easy to give numbers out but it doesnt work like that.
i apreciate that, but everybody thinking of getting there cars mapped want to know wat there getting first,nobody want to take there 200bhp z20let in,pay £300-£400 and end up with 215bhp-225-bhp,wen companys claim they will get a certain figure people expect to get just that,its a difficult situation:wink:
did turbodara know you hadnt finish trying before he did a vanishing act?
going by this id assume he did,
then they left me in the rain outside for 30-40 mins and never came back out to sort the car out so i left.
id assume he was writing the map while turbodara waited in the car and gave up,
ateotd, only jayson and turbodara know what went on and should solve this between the two of them, no need to ruin a tuners/members repuation/credability over it until it has been resolved or one party has refused to resolve it,
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 22:10
so the question has to be asked - despite him driving off, not paying, being uhappy and generally left unhappy could you two resolve this or has it gone too far between the 2 of you?. (only you two know what happened and how things went during the day) - did turbodara know you hadnt finish trying before he did a vanishing act?
As i have said previously, i hold NO grudges and in fact i feel sorry for the guy as i know whats its like to have work done on a car and not get the results required.
I am more than happy to put the car back to the way it came to us so he can go to courtneys or regal and have the work done and of course no charge.
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 22:12
going by this id assume he did,
id assume he was writing the map while turbodara waited in the car and gave up,
ateotd, only jayson and turbodara know what went on and should solve this between the two of them, no need to ruin a tuners/members repuation/credability over it until it has been resolved or one party has refused to resolve it,
Ive just bought an 8000sqft unit with a front office bigger than my COMPLETE old unit just so customers have a warm office to wait whilst there car is worked on.
We never leave people in the rain but of course if it is raining and a customer wishes to either wait outside or in there car we would not question it.
Jason i would want to get paid if i was you
turbodara go back to jason and sort this out the mods you have fitted on the car dont work unless you use the parts needed
agreed, jayson should get his money for his work and turbodara should get his map,
maybe just a lack of communication to let turbodara know what was going on while the map was being written? either way should be resolved without having to resort to this on here.
ChippedUK
15-05-2007, 22:16
agreed, jayson should get his money for his work and turbodara should get his map,
maybe just a lack of communication to let turbodara know what was going on while the map was being written? either way should be resolved without having to resort to this on here.
I can accept that maybe it could be put down to misscommunication.
I personally wouldnt feel comfortable taking money from this guy as i dont feel i did the job to the levels possible so i wouldnt require payment.
Im concerned at the post in the first place but am happy to set that asside and put it down to him being upset with the events.
Im more than happy to put the car back to original and wish him all the luck to get it resolved.
Ive just bought an 8000sqft unit with a front office bigger than my COMPLETE old unit just so customers have a warm office to wait whilst there car is worked on.
We never leave people in the rain but of course if it is raining and a customer wishes to either wait outside or in there car we would not question it.
didnt mean it as if he had no choice...was just commenting...:)
i just beleive this should be resolved off of here (to save any bad reputations starting) and then post on here the end result to help future customers etc.
:)
well i have to say when i rang chippeduk the other day regarding getting my zafira gsi remap, jason was great on the phone and said what he could do to my car safely, im book thats a good thing, like i said in my earlyer poste he's done to other peoples cars i know and both are fine!
well im fitting my intercooler then getting mine mapped still! i ran a search on the net and every customer feed back was all good!
turbodara im sure if you speak to them they will sort it!
quick query, not sure if i missed anything, but did you know you wouldnt be able to map the car 100% when he first came to you?
lets just hope both parties can sort this out amicably :)
Scottyboy
16-05-2007, 03:16
Enough said by both parties so thread closed. A resolution clearly will not be sorted on here - can the two parties get in touch with each other by phone/email/PM and resolve this if they wish please.